Insight about a new client
  • Good morning!

    I would like to get an insight from you about a new client, who I'll name "B". I recently started providing dog walking services to her

    I also happen to have a new dog walker, who I'll name "A", and this new client contacted me for dog walking services. I told "B"  over the phone all details she wanted to know about us, as a company, ans set up a meet and greet between B and A.

    The new dog walker was doing great so far. A was following instructions, and was willing to learn and did a pretty god job. And she was also instructed that when a client asks for her number, A must give out the company's number. Because, I prefer that clients contact me first if they have any questions about pretty much anything.
    So, the meeting happened, and B decided to go for my company. I also explained client B that communication needs to be done through  the company's office. B, of curse can leave a note to the dog walker if she has any feeding instructions or such, but that dog walkers aren't allowed to exchanged number with clients. I also explained that the main reason of my policy is because I want the dog walkers to be focused on the dogs, and only on the dogs. It is safer, and less stressful or the dog walker. Dealing with clients and dogs at the same time, it can be very stressful.

    During the meet and greet Client B asked A for her number, and A made the mistake of providing her personal cell number to client B. I know it because I asked my dog walker, and she said she did, but that it was an honest mistake because client B asked her for her number and A wanted to please her.
    So, I asked A not to do the mistake again.

    Bottom line,  the first day of my dog walker had to walked client B's dog. A showed up and the doorman told her the dog was already out with someone else, a B's relative.  My dog walker exits the building and sees the dog with a lady. This lady told my told walker that she didn't have to worry about it, that she was already out with the dog and, and my dog walker replied to her that it wasn't any problem. So my dog walker calls me immediately to let me know of what happened. And I called client B, to clarify the incident since i already knew that her relative was going to be home, but Client B never canceled the walk, so I left a voice mail to her that according to our agreement she still had to pay for the walk. Next day, client B emailed me asking me to ask my dog walker to call her at her work number. So, I called client B to see what was going on, and client B again asked me to tell my dog walker to call her. I again explained to her that dog walkers aren't allowed to communicate through the phone with clients, that she needed to tell me what was going on and I would pass the message t my dog walker. Client B made a big deal out of it. A big deal!

    To make the story short, she told me I was ridiculous for  not allowing the dog walkers and clients to exchange numbers, and that she was pretty sure that other clients are doing so behind my back ( which I know for sure that is not the case)and the she needed to have my dog walker phone number because it was a stranger going inside her house. I listened to her carefully, and when she was done speaking I proceeded to explain to her AGAIN, about my company's policy. I don't want my employees to exchange numbers with my clients. I want my dog walkers to focus solely on the dogs. Besides, because of liability insurance as well, it is better that I am notified first of any changes in the schedule and anything else whatsoever. I mean, I am taking responsibility for my dog walkers actions, and this client wants to leave me out of the game.

    The other issue was that client B said that she wasn't paying for the first day my dog walker showed up to walk her dog because It was my dog walker who told her relative that it was not a problem that the dog was already out. That it was her last dog and that client B's relative didn't have to worry about it and Client B said that my dog walker told her not to worry about payment for that day. That client B didn't have to pay about it. Client B actually had her sister on the other line on a conference call, without notifying me about it, and her sister went ahead and said that it was my dog walker who didn't want to walk the dog. At the point, this client B put me in a difficult situation because she pretty much stated that my dog walker lied to me. Also, at that point, I was already uncomfortable with the fact that she didn't want to respect my company's policy. She wanted me pretty much to break my own rules just because she wanted so. And then client B came up with the version of what happened the first day. "She said", "I said". So absurd!

    At the end, I politely told her that i respected her opinion about my policy, and how sorry I was for her to be uncomfortable with it, therefore she should seek a another dog walking service which who she feels fine with. I told her i was going to her one or two weeks to find another service, because the least thing I want is my clients to be uncomfortable with my policies. I don't think client B will ever call me again. But i feel I had to let this new client go because it became a real headache since the beginning.

    Meanwhile, I called my dog walker to clarify the issue of the first day, and she kept her word that it was client B's relative who didn't let her walk the dog.
    Right now, I am in a position where i will continue to watch very closely my new dog walker, and i do feel like my dog walker is telling the truth, although she made the mistake of giving her number too client B. However, I can't blame her since client B is very pushy, and in her mind, and possibly her world, she is right all the time.









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    I've made this video which I thought went nicely with this discussion, hope you enjoy it!




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    Hi @DevotedDogWalker

    Thanks for your comments and I think I can speak for the entire PetSitterBible.com community by saying we feel your pain! But I'll tell you what, you handled this situation with professionalism and acted quickly and decisively and made all the right decisions. I advise people to not let a bad client or employee slowly bleed you to death. This client showed they weren't a good fit for your company, and that they were a little possessive and loopy and you knew to get rid of them and that's an awesome job.

    You know I used to have a problem with employees contacting clients, exchanging contact info when they weren't allowed to but I haven't for a very long time. I don't associate it to my training though, I associate it to the employees I was hiring, and I had been hiring the wrong employees. If this employee makes the same mistake again my two cents would be to put them on another route with a major warning or to get rid of them, the way you did the client (: But as we know a good employee is harder to find than a good client.

    Thanks for sharing this great post!
  • Wow!! I luv people! =)
    So been there myself and you did the right thing!! Nip that PITB client right away!  I haven't always done that myself, so out of this ordeal, keep that in mind, you did the right thing for your business and I might add for your sanity!!  Haha
    My super favorite is when a sitter uses their cell or home phone that  the number isn't blocked, and the client starts calling them on that line or both!! Errr...  I have a blocked cell number and many people won't answer  blocked numbers, but I will tell you without a doubt, the minute they have my cell number, they are texting me, calling my cell and never call the business line again.... So (because i changed cell phones and apparently I had set up blocking thru my phone and not the cell phone company)  My number appeared on caller ID for a couple days!!   Total freak out over here... and wouldn't you know it, several clients commented that  my number was coming up... 2 started texting me and 1 continues to call only my cell! and of course at 8:45pm at night on weekends and whenever there is a change to the schedule!!!! So annoying! All this even tho I called Verizon (my cell provider) and had my number permanently blocked... And asked the ones who were calling my cell to call my business line!  Oy  
    I digress!!
    Anyhow, Thank you.  I say this because I need to do some revamping and this is one of those area's that needs a boost!  And its nice to know there are others out there who have the same battle.  I just would NEVER call someones cell phone knowing it was after hours or whatever, I would call the business number that they plaster everywhere!!! So for me this is a real bugger of a topic!
    And as I start to hire new sitters (have been sitter less for awhile now) this is good to see how others deal with this issue. 
    I heard another sitter say just recently that her long time employee  had gone to a new client interview and the client was new to the area and asked for a referral to a vet.  The sitter gave the name of the vet, and then told the business owner about it..  The business owner has a policy that all referals are given out by her, not because she is a control freak, but because she goes above and beyond when referring.  She has a system where she emails the vet office manager, and cc's the client so that they both have a reference of the referral!  I like this because, wow, that gives the client the feeling that they have someone at the vet clinic that they know!!  The sitter got reprimanded, and I think I would take it a step further and  make it a warning!  I have had sitters in the past take clients for my business and its one reason I haven't hired in awhile!  Its a huge defeat when you work sooo hard to build your client base and then someone comes along and takes them from you.  I know where the weak point is now and I am putting policies in place so that this doesn't occur in the future, I think we can all learn from others pit falls!
    So thank you again!
  • Hi @Kirsten

    I hear you and this is such a HUGE ISSUE in our industry, maintaining the role as the leadership figure to our employees, not the clients. And to do this in a way where the clients understand and don't spite us is such a balancing act. I will say that I feel my business is in the best shape we've ever been in this respect and I'm going to make a video in the coming weeks about this subject and I hope it continues the conversation on this hugely important and delicate issue.

  • Hi all,

    Thanks for your responses and support. People sometimes can be very funny like that former client.

    And just to give you an update. Now.comes my new dog walker hurt her knee last week. It doesn't seem to be a big deal but she isn't working this week because although her knee isnt swallen too much. I dont want to make it worse. So, far i dont know what i'll do with this new dog walker. Her first month was great. Everything went well. I guess it's life.
  • Ayy sorry to hear that ): Yes like you can never have too many good pitchers on a baseball team you can never have enough good employees right? Best, Josh
  • Update:

    Please excuse the several entries. I am commenting from my cell and It didnt show like the comment was posted so I did it a.few.times to realize it actually went through. This is a reason why I think I might get me an Ipad. ;-)
  • You said in your book : "A good dog walker is a rare commodity". My dog walker emailed me yesterday. She is taking the week off and she was.supossed to go see a doctor on Tuesday but in fact she hasn't made it.to.the.doctor because she doesn't have insurance and she needs.a.letter from her other employer stating how.much she earns so the hospital can charge her a fee based on her income. I dont quite believe that because hospitals do provide health care.to people and they deal.with billing later.

    Secondly, on top of that. Comes now, her mom is having a surgery in February, so she needs to go back home to be her mom.for AT LEAST a week because her home lives alone.
    She apologizes for it and she states in her email that she really hopes she keeps her job. But that she understands if I find a replacement.

    What did I do when I read her email: Red flag her! Too.many excuses. I dont blame her for hurting herself but I just dont believe the hospital story. And ultimately, this job is about being there for our clients dogs. And I am sensing she will be coming off with more excuses in the future if I keep.her.
  • Ayy I'm sorry my friend, some of our employees lives are so messy right? And it can be hard to believe the stories we hear sometimes. Your inclination seems right on this person and as my mentor stresses to me, "don't let someone bleed you to death." When they show they aren't solid, can't be trusted, etc. than you don't need to see anymore, try and find someone to replace them. Hope you find someone great to replace them!
  • Hi you all,

    As Josh commented before "you can never have enough good dog walkers". I'll like to update you about this post "Insight about a new client", and what the new dog walker turned out to be.
    I think I had commented that the dog walker who gave her cell number to the new client and then she later hurt her knee. At the end, she decided to quit. She took a week off to rest and She was supposed to go to see a doctor but she didnt, so she wanted another week off, or at least to be off until she was able to.see a.doctor. she also claimed that she had to go back home ( another state) at the end of February because of personal reasons. Huh? So, she didn't return to resume her job.I didn't have problems about it. I mean, I honestly thought she was passive- aggressively firing herself ( as a coincidence after the new client tried to give me a hard time about my company's policies). Anyways, I mailed her last check and I thought I was over with her. However, she wasn't over with me. She emailed me two different emails claiming she hasn't received her check ( despite that i mailed it certified mail and could tracked when she recived it from usps which it was many hours before.her claims via email). She is upset with me and stated a bunch of antics and histrionics in her emails. I thought for a moment that i was in a soup opera, and she had me as the villian in it. According to her, everything was my fault and she went as far as wanting to.couch me (in her emails) on how to run a successful business. That i dont know how to run a business (She worked for me for only one month, yep) And that i had trust issues because I offended her when I asked her about the new client to whome she passed her cell number despite it's not allowed in my company to do that.

    I just didnt know if I should've laugh or get upset. I chose to laugh. I just don't quite understand where her anger is coming from since,she's the one who decided to leave. She released herself!
    However, make not mistake, i take full reponsibility of having hired this turkey. After reviewing the hiring process, i.can recall i asked her how long she lasted at her past job ( supposely as a manager), she responded that only a month because she didnt like the other company's enviroment and that she didnt like how her former boss managed the business (btw, it wasnt a dog related job). Boila!! The minute after she said that; it was a big red flag, and in fact, i shouldnt had hired her because not.only she lasted very little at her past job, she also bad mouthed her former employer. But i guess, i didnt pay much attention to the detail because she was a.nice person who seemed so eager to work with dogs. Ohh lord!
    So, comes now, that she emailed.me to tell me that she recieved her check and that it was short!
    Jesus!!
  • Hi you all,

    As Josh commented before "you can never have enough
    good dog walkers". I'll like to update you about this post "Insight
    about a new client", and what the new dog walker turned out to be.
    I
    think I had commented that the dog walker who gave her cell number to
    the new client and then she later hurt her knee. At the end, she decided
    to quit. She took a week off to rest and She was supposed to go to see a
    doctor but she didnt, so she wanted another week off, or at least to be
    off until she was able to.see a.doctor. she also claimed that she had
    to go back home ( another state) at the end of February because of
    personal reasons. Huh? So, she didn't return to resume her job.I didn't
    have problems about it. I mean, I honestly thought she was passive-
    aggressively firing herself ( as a coincidence after the new client
    tried to give me a hard time about my company's policies). Anyways, I
    mailed her last check and I thought I was over with her. However, she
    wasn't over with me. She emailed me two different emails claiming she
    hasn't received her check ( despite that i mailed it certified mail and
    could tracked when she recived it from usps which it was many hours
    before.her claims via email). She is upset with me and stated a bunch of
    antics and histrionics in her emails. I thought for a moment that i was
    in a soup opera, and she had me as the villian in it. According to her,
    everything was my fault and she went as far as wanting to.couch me (in
    her emails) on how to run a successful business. That i dont know how to
    run a business (She worked for me for only one month, yep) And that i
    had trust issues because I offended her when I asked her about the new
    client to whome she passed her cell number despite it's not allowed in
    my company to do that.

    I just didnt know if I should've laugh or
    get upset. I chose to laugh. I just don't quite understand where her
    anger is coming from since,she's the one who decided to leave. She
    released herself!
    However, make not mistake, i take full
    reponsibility of having hired this turkey. After reviewing the hiring
    process, i.can recall i asked her how long she lasted at her past job (
    supposely as a manager), she responded that only a month because she
    didnt like the other company's enviroment and that she didnt like how
    her former boss managed the business (btw, it wasnt a dog related job).
    Boila!! The minute after she said that; it was a big red flag, and in
    fact, i shouldnt had hired her because not.only she lasted very little
    at her past job, she also bad mouthed her former employer. But i guess, i
    didnt pay much attention to the detail because she was a.nice person
    who seemed so eager to work with dogs. Ohh lord!
    So, comes now, that she emailed.me to tell me that she recieved her check and that it was short!
    Jesus!!